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Poster: DeadATL Date: Aug 2, 2013 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

Some random observations and comments:

Sing Me Back Home was better than any version done by Merle. It was chilling.

The obesity epidemic of modern America was not a problem early 70s hippies faced. The guys all were extremely lean.

There was very little “diversity” despite the camera being trained on a topless black woman for a few scenes. The crowd reminds me of how rapidly the demographics of the US are changing.

Jerry’s beard looked like it was made from anthracite.

Lots of the younger folks in the crowd (at the theater) went to the bathroom during Dark Star. The veteran Deadheads didn’t move.

Keith got no love from the filmmakers.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 2, 2013 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

High Fructose corn syrup......making American kids bat fastards since 1974.

The advent of the remote control, video games and HD TV has all but guaranteed we will evolve into a giant eyeball with thumbs and a huge layer of stubborn belly fat...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 2, 2013 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

i agree, HFCS definitely a player in the obesity epidemic, but it's also the over-processed sugars and grains that a lotta folks shovel into themselves like no tomorrow, not to mention the over-abundance of ingredients in packaged foods that are NOT found in nature

at the individual level, it's an easy fix (altho not necessarily an 'easy' transition) ... first step? STOP buying from Big Food, the real Evil Empires on this planet

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 2, 2013 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

Unfortunately the vicious circle is the ever rising cost of food and the stresses of time on the average family. It's extremely expensive and hard to eat 100% all natural when your working and supporting a family. Not to sound like a cop out. We do our best and stay away from fast food and processed food as best we can. One thing to point out is while the men were thin clearly it was still the norm for women to have curves rather than the skinny look that is forced upon women now. Myself I like the former.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 2, 2013 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

you're right of course, and you make an excellent point ... economics is a huge factor in the levels of obesity, as well as whether one has access to better food products, both fresh and packaged ... in fact it's an argument i've even used with my sister when discussing the 'obesity' problem, i keep telling her it's all fine and well to have the knowledge and access to better food, but for the vast majority of people who struggle just to provide for their family, getting organic or natural isn't an option they even think about, they just want food on the table

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Aug 3, 2013 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

Former FDA Commissioner David Kessler attributes obesity epidemic to fat, sugar, and salt manipulation in processed foods

Dr. David Kessler is the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration under Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. He is a pediatrician and served as the dean of the medical schools at both Yale and the University of California, San Francisco. His latest book is titled The End of Overeating: Taking Control of the Insatiable American Appetite.

The End of Overeating: Taking Control of the Insatiable American Appetite - August 03, 2009 - DemocracyNow! interview with Dr. Kessler

AMY GOODMAN: A new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warns that the direct medical costs of obesity total about $147 billion a year. That amounts to nine percent of all US medical costs. It’s also over $50 billion more than the annual spending on cancer.

Dr. David Kessler, you say the three major culprits are salt, sugar and fat. And you’re saying it’s the food industry that’s as bad as big tobacco in addicting Americans. Explain your argument.

Kessler-web.jpgDR. DAVID KESSLER: Fat and sugar, fat and salt, fat, sugar, and salt stimulate us to eat more and more. Does the food industry understand the inputs? Absolutely. They understand that fat, sugar and salt stimulate us, and they understand the outputs. They understand we keep on coming back for more and more.

Have they understood the neuroscience? Have they understood how fat and sugar work? I don’t think so. But we now have that science. But what’s important is the fact that they have figured out — they’ve learned it experientially — what works, and they construct food to stimulate us to eat more.

ANJALI KAMAT: Dr. Kessler, can you talk about the neuroscience behind this? What happens when we keep eating fat, sugar and salt over and over again? What happens in our brains?

DR. DAVID KESSLER: Let me give you — you know, we just published an article. Not the typical scientific title, it’s called "Deconstructing the Vanilla Milkshake." What do you think it is about the vanilla milkshake? Do you think it’s the sugar, the fat or the flavor that stimulates you to come back for more? Which one do you think it is — the sugar, fat or flavor?

AMY GOODMAN: Which is it?

DR. DAVID KESSLER: It’s the sugar. The sugar is the main driver. But when you add fat to the sugar, it’s synergistic. With my colleague Gaetano Di Chiara, we — Gaetano studies the effect of amphetamine and cocaine on brains’ dopamine circuits. Dopamine is responsible for focusing your attention on a specific stimulus. And we always knew that amphetamine and cocaine raise the brain’s dopamines level. But what we did is we studied the effects of not just one nutrient, not just sugar, but sugar and fat, and we found, when you put them together, you get elevations of the brain’s dopamine circuitry. And not only that, it doesn’t habituate. It doesn’t go down time after time. So we see that multi-potent, multi-sensory foods can stimulate the brain’s neural circuitry.

AMY GOODMAN: And you’re saying that the food industry, like tobacco, is actively manipulating the addiction. Explain exactly what you mean.

DR. DAVID KESSLER: The food industry certainly understands what works. Let me explain to you how it works. Based on past learning, past memory, we get cued. What’s a cue? It can be the sight. It could be the smell. It could be location. Every time I walk down Powell Street, I start thinking about chocolate-covered pretzels. Why? Because I had been on that street before, and I had been into a store, but I had forgotten entirely that I had done that. When I’m on that street that — just the location stimulates thoughts of wanting that creates arousal. It focuses my attention. My brain gets activated. I eat for a second. I have that pleasure. It blocks out all other stimuli. And then I get cued again. And every time I do that, I just strengthen the neural circuitries.

What has the food industry done? They’ve taken fat, sugar and salt, they’ve put it on every corner. They’ve made it available 24/7. They’ve made it socially acceptable to eat at any time. They’ve added the emotional gloss of advertising. Look at an ad; you’ll love it, you’ll want it. They’ve made food into entertainment. We’re living, in fact, in a food carnival.

ANJALI KAMAT: Dr. Kessler, you talk about the $330 billion restaurant food industry, and one of the things you say is that food is increasingly being assembled, not cooked, in these kitchens of chain restaurants. Can you give us an example? Talk about going to Chili’s, or talk about going to any of the restaurants you talk about. And, you know, take us from the beginning to the end, how a dish is prepared.

DR. DAVID KESSLER: So, take an appetizer in a modern American restaurant. Take buffalo wings. What are they? You take the fatty part of the chicken, fried usually in the manufacturing plant first. That loads about 30, 40 percent fat. Fry it again in the kitchen of the restaurant. That loads more fat. That red spicy sauce? What is it? Fat and sugar. That white creamy sauce on the side? Fat and salt. What are we eating? Fat on fat on fat on fat on sugar on fat and salt.

AMY GOODMAN: Let’s get personal, Dr. David Kessler. Your own story, your own dealing with what you eat, how you’ve gained weight, how you’ve lost weight, and the different people that you’ve spoken to as you’ve researched this book?

DR. DAVID KESSLER: I have suits in every size. What I wanted to understand when I started writing The End of Overeating was why it’s so hard for so many of us to resist eating.

You know, one night I was watching Oprah, and there was a woman on the show, very well educated, very well spoken, and I remember what she said. And I was trying to listen as a physician, as a clinician. She said, “I eat when my husband goes to work in the morning. I eat before he comes home at night. I eat when I’m happy. I eat when I’m sad. I eat when I’m hungry. I eat when I’m not hungry.” And then she said, “I don’t like myself.” And I could understand, I can relate to that behavior. And I wanted to understand what was going on with that woman. So what I did with my colleagues at the University of California, San Francisco, with the scientists — I wanted to know how many people have characteristics, behavioral characteristics, like that woman.

Let me give you three characteristics. Some people, when I raise these, say, you know, they can’t relate, they don’t understand these. Others say I’m describing them. First, a hard time resisting your favorite foods, a lack of control in the face of highly palatable foods. Two, a lack of satiation, a lack of feeling full when eating. Three, a preoccupation with thinking about foods between meals, or sometimes when you’re eating something, you’re thinking about what you’re going to be eating next; even with that food right in front of you, you’re thinking about what you’re going to be eating next. Those three characteristics: loss of control, lack of satiation, a preoccupation with thinking about foods.

What we found is about 50 percent of obese individuals, 30 percent of overweight individuals, about 20 percent of healthy weight individuals — that may not seem like a lot, but when you extrapolate, that’s some — and there’s risks of extrapolation — that’s some 70 million Americans have this evidence of conditioned and hyper — conditioned hypereating. It’s behavior that is both conditioned and driven.

And this is the most interesting part. When we studied — when we scanned the brains of these individuals who have evidence of these three characteristics, this conditioned hypereating, we see activation of the brain’s reward circuits, elevation — activation of the brain’s amygdala, both during the anticipation of foods — even without the foods, just them thinking about the foods or smelling the foods, there’s greater activation of those rewards circuits. And those reward circuits, when they start eating the foods, stay activated and don’t shut off. So, for the first time, we have an explanation. We can say to that woman — I mean, we can say to millions of Americans who have a hard time resisting their food in front of them, it’s not their fault. There’s a biological reason for why it’s so hard to resist.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to David Kessler. The doctor is a former commissioner of the FDA under Bush and under Clinton. He’s written a new book; it’s called The End of Overeating: Taking Control of the Insatiable American Appetite. In a little while, we’ll also be joined by Arun Gupta, who is talking about bacon as a weapon of mass destruction. And we’ll look at the current healthcare debate, the issue over insurance in healthcare in America and how obesity weighs in. the full interview with Dr. Kessler is here

You Really Can’t Eat Just One, and Here’s the Reason

‘Salt Sugar Fat’ by Michael Moss - published in NY Times, March 17, 2013

Michael-Moss.jpgAmericans eat 33 pounds of cheese and cheese products per year, per person, which is triple the consumption rate of the 1970s. Michael Moss gives all credit to mighty Kraft and the other food giants. “In the hands of food manufacturers, cheese has become an ingredient,” Mr. Moss writes. Thus we have cheese-injected pizza crusts and cheese-draped frozen entrees, cheesy chips and cheezy crackers. Cheese and its processed derivatives were deployed across a gazillion new products and line extensions during decades when Americans, as a fat-avoidance tactic, were actually cutting their milk consumption by 75 percent. From a fat-consumption point of view, he says, “trading cheese for milk has been a poor bargain indeed.”

And that is the nub of Mr. Moss’s case: By concentrating fat, salt and sugar in products formulated for maximum “bliss,” Big Food has spent almost a century distorting the American diet in favor of calorie-dense products whose consumption pattern has been mirrored by the calamitous rise in obesity rates. Entire food categories were invented to support this strategy (Mr. Moss is particularly fascinated by Kraft’s near-billion-dollar line of Lunchables snack trays), as processors bent the American appetite to Wall Street’s will.

There is plenty here to make one’s blood pressure rise. (Must a child-targeted snack pack contain 830 milligrams of sodium and 39 grams of sugar? Really?) But the finer points of factory-to-table food formulation are not riveting.

Mr. Moss also strains to dramatize the preoccupations of marketers, describing a “hold your breath” moment when Kraft learned whether customers would lose interest in Lunchables after the company moved from yellow cardboard sleeve to a sleeveless box. One Lunchables team brainstormed the question of “what could a pizza be like that would fit into the Lunchables world?”

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 3, 2013 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

i read that article in the Times back in March, it doesn't really say anything new, just re-hashing what those 'in the know' already knew ... my problem with articles like these in the major media (or any media) is that is might often excite a flurry of interest in the short-term, but rarely will anything change for the long-term; Big Food is far too powerful and entrenched in the market and in the psyche of the public to just vanish; as Althea pointed out, many people stick with what they know, i.e., the major brands that they've always eaten (and that their parents probably ate), and are afraid of making fundamental changes to their diet and lifestyle; people will always opt for the easy choices and roads in life, and in part that's due to most people basically being slaves to a merciless employer who exhausts them physically and/or mentally 40+ hours a week, and of course at that point you don't have the energy to invest in pondering changes to your diet, to the fact that everyone is out to squeeze the last drop of sweat and money out of you, everywhich way they can, legally and illegally

the people who run those mega-food corps are more or less brazen criminals, vicious and greedy bastards who don't give one damn for anything but profiting at the expense of the global population, even if that means a population spiraling out of control into rampant obesity and diet-related diseases

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Aug 3, 2013 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

Look at what Dr. Kessler says above: "What has the food industry done? They’ve taken fat, sugar and salt, they’ve put it on every corner. They’ve made it available 24/7. They’ve made it socially acceptable to eat at any time. They’ve added the emotional gloss of advertising. Look at an ad; you’ll love it, you’ll want it. They’ve made food into entertainment. We’re living, in fact, in a food carnival."

"Dr. Kessler, you talk about the $330 billion restaurant food industry, and one of the things you say is that food is increasingly being assembled, not cooked, in these kitchens of chain restaurants. Can you give us an example? Talk about going to [Fort Collins], or talk about going to any of the restaurants you talk about. And, you know, take us from the beginning to the end, how a dish is prepared."

Let me answer that since I'm a Village Idiot! I live in Disneyland, downtown Fort Collins, Colorado - in a huge food carnival - but, it's really a "nutrition desert" - and - it's a Big Food rip-off to locals and tourists eating out around here. I have some pitiful news for hipsters and diners visiting the downtown Fort Collins dot-com web page for restaurants. What are the web-masters and editors at the Downtown Fort Collins Business Association's web site not telling you, in plain sight? Every day or two, for the past five years, I have been watching the same two Denver-based frozen-food tractor-trailer delivery trucks making "food" deliveries to every restaurant in downtown Fort Collins!!!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 3, 2013 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

that's because the distributors control supply, and when some restaurant owner decides to do things differently, to supply his food/alcohol wants from independent and/or local vendors, he'll a) find that the cost is too high and he will have to raise his per meal price, thereby not getting the customers, thereby not being able to compete, or, b) he will get a visit, probably late at nite, from one of the major distributor's 'employees' (read 'thug') telling him that he _will_ order his food/alcohol from 'Big Food' distributor, else he'll get a 2nd visit and then a trip to the hospital

so Monte, are you saying that downtown Fort Collins is nothing but a hub of 'chain' restaurants? how sad for your city ... one should never, ever, eat at any chain anything

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Aug 5, 2013 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

Yes, it's very sad for the future of young people in my city. I'm saying the food scene in Fort Collins is just like the food scene where you are: "Game Over!"

And I'm saying Fort Collins is Disneyland on steroids!

I'm saying our Chief of Police should visually epitomize what a healthy and vigorous place Fort Collins is being cranked up to be. Fort Collins's [healthiest City in America] claims are what our business leaders and city staff are stating 24-7-365 in the media. I'd like to know why the FCPD Chief is such an unhealthy-looking pudge? What kind of [un]healthy message does this send to other cops, or to our citizens? His photo is rarely, if ever, published. Why? [pudge is duplicitous?]

I'm saying it's nothing but propaganda and brain-washing here 24-7-365. There is no "independent reporting" of news here. The Coloradoan is our local newspaper in Fort Collins. It's owned by Gannett. Gannett Company owns over 90 daily newspapers, and nearly 1,000 weekly newspapers. USA Today is the number one media property owned by Gannett. Up until recently, Gannett also owned 23 TV stations - including KUSA-TV in Denver (channel 9). Gannett just completed a merger deal with television operator Belo Corporation. Now Gannett owns 43 TV stations! Gannett’s new broadcast segment will have greater geographic and revenue diversity, with 21 stations in the top 25 markets, and will become the #1 CBS affiliate group, the #4 ABC affiliate group, and will expand its already #1 NBC affiliate group position. The transaction is expected to close by the end of 2013 and will be subject to antitrust approval.

I'm saying last August 2012, the Fort Collins City Council and Mayor voted unanimously to give Avago a $4.5 million tax incentive package to expand their facility in Fort Collins.
Fort Collins Tax Incentives proposed to Avago were $4.5 million. This PDF file is for the August 21, 2012 Agenda Item Summary details for Fort Collins City Council. It contains the following information:

"Staff recommends adoption of this Resolution."

"Negotiations of the planned Avago Technologies expansion and related Business Investment Agreement were conducted confidentially."

"Negotiations of the planned Avago Technologies expansion and related Business Assistance package were conducted confidentially."
The Larimer County Commissioners also voted unanimously to give Avago another $500 thousand for their expansion. No one but me is reporting about this in any investigative way, shape or form.

What I can report to you is that right now we know Avago makes three power amplifier components for the iPad 3, and one for the iPhone 5. So we're talking about production levels of these power amplifier components - manufactured in the Avago facility in Fort Collins - already being on the order of tens of millions, before this tax incentive package was floated by the city of Fort Collins.

Hock Tan is Avago's CEO and president. On Aug 17, 2012, Avago held its public teleconference about Q3 profits. That's when Hock Tan reported, "Revenue from our industrial and consumer target markets were a little stronger than we expected. And for the last two quarters, we've disclosed that Foxconn was at greater than 10%, and that continued to be one again this quarter." See page 3 of the Avago Technologies Ltd Q3 2012 Earnings Call searchable transcript. This information was available when Fort Collins and Larimer County leaders cast their disgusting votes to give Avago $5 million paid for by taxpayers! Why does it matter?

Approximately twenty Foxconn workers have committed suicide at work due to enormous pressure, long hours, and squalid living conditions where they work. They were leaping to their deaths from Foxconn building rooftops. This has been reported by the mainstream press. Foxconn and Apple addressed this issue by installing anti-suicide safety nets around the buildings at every Foxconn facility.


Foxconn pays their workers slave wages. They often 16 hours per day, six days per week. They live in squalid dormitories on-campus, often in dismal conditions. They are working in very stressful working conditions. There is extraordinary pressure to produce high volumes of units with zero defects, doing the same tasks over and over for long periods of time, treating their workers like animals.

While all this is going on, the City of Fort Collins is also directing City staff to create and promote Apps that run on these devices manufactured by Apple's slave workers. Isn't it also true that more Taxpayer money goes into 401k investment plans for Mutual Funds - holding shares of Apple's stock - for City employees' retirement plans? And now you are asking us to pay another $4.5 million for a tax break for Avago.

These comments were made in writing by me to all the Fort Collins City Council-persons, the Mayor, and the City Manager. None of it has ever been publicly discussed or reported in Fort Collins, except by me. Today is the first time I'm publishing these Fort Collins facts in a Public Forum. Recently I published this Homeless in Silicon Valley movie essay on The Archive.

And, notlhing has changed! It appears to me things are only getting worse! It's not just Apple using slave workers. Microsoft X-box components, and Dell, Sony, Nokia, and many other a/v and portable devices are made this way.

China Labor Watch said it found violations of the law and of Apple's pledges about working conditions at factories operated by Pegatron Corp., a Taiwanese company.

Conditions in Chinese factories that produce iPhones and other popular Apple products have been under scrutiny following complaints about labor and environmental violations by a different supplier, Taiwan's Foxconn, a unit of Hon Hai Precision Industry Co.

Apple said in a statement it was "committed to providing safe and fair working conditions" and would investigate the claims about Pegatron. The Taiwanese company's chief executive, in a separate statement, also promised to investigate.

Apple Corporation is 'among largest tax avoiders in USA' according to a US Senate committee. The Senate committee said Apple had used "a complex web of offshore entities" to avoid paying billions of dollars in US income taxes.

"Apple Inc established an offshore subsidiary, Apple Operations International, which from 2009 to 2012 reported net income of $30bn, but declined to declare any tax residence, filed no corporate income tax return and paid no corporate income taxes to any national government for five years."

Irish-based Apples Sales International generated around $74bn (£48.5bn) in profits but "may have paid little or no income taxes to any national government on the vast bulk of those funds".

According to the senators on the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Apple transferred offshore into low-tax countries the economic rights to its intellectual property - its valuable and usually patentable knowhow - with the result that it avoided around $10bn (£6.5bn) of US tax every year (what the senators characterise as $44bn, or £29bn, of US tax avoidance over the past four years).

What is the point of all this? Well the senators point out that Apple has continued to accumulate vast amounts of cash in places other than the US, and those cash holdings now exceed an eye-popping $102bn (£67bn).

Why does any of this matter?

Well it is part of a broad trend of multinationals paying a much smaller proportion of public sector costs in all the world's developed economies.

In the US, for example, corporate tax generated 32.1% of all federal taxes in 1952. Today that proportion has fallen to a puny 8.9%. American Workers are Occupied!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 5, 2013 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

Who made the computer you are venting your spleen with?????

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Aug 3, 2013 7:55am
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Game Over: The Worldwide Food System is completely Occupied! So are most consumer products.

Counterfeit Food More Widespread Than Suspected - By STEPHEN CASTLE and DOREEN CARVAJAL, excerpts from article Published in NY Times on June 26, 2013
Investigators have uncovered thousands of frauds, raising fresh questions about regulatory oversight as criminals offer bargain-hunting shoppers cheap versions of everyday products, including counterfeit chocolate and adulterated olive oil, Jacob’s Creek wine and even Bollinger Champagne. As the [recent European] horse meat scandal showed, even legitimate companies can be overtaken by the murky world of food fraud.

“Around the world, food fraud is an epidemic — in every single country where food is produced or grown, food fraud is occurring,” said Mitchell Weinberg, president and chief executive of Inscatech, a company that advises on food security. “Just about every single ingredient that has even a moderate economic value is potentially vulnerable to fraud.”

Speaking at a recent conference organized by the consulting firm FoodChain Europe, Mr. Weinberg added that many processed products contain ingredients like sugar, vanilla, paprika, honey, olive oil or cocoa products that are tainted.

“In response to reduced consumer spending power, counterfeiters have expanded their range of products,” a recent Europol report said. In addition to the traditional counterfeit luxury product, organized crime groups “now also counterfeit daily consumer goods such as detergents, foodstuffs, cosmetic products and pharmaceuticals.”

Shaun Kennedy, associate professor at the University of Minnesota, estimated that 10 percent of food that consumers buy in the developed world was adulterated. Because the profit margins for foodstuffs are often within single digits, “if you dilute by 2 percent, that’s a big deal.” He cited a report from the United States’ Grocery Manufacturers Association saying that economic adulteration and counterfeiting of global food and consumer products was expected to cost the industry $10 billion to $15 billion a year.

Investigators say a huge array of deceptions exist. Simple ones involve presenting cheap products as branded or top-quality ones, like selling catfish as sea bream, labeling farmed salmon as wild or marketing battery-produced eggs as organic or free range. In February, the German authorities began investigating around 160 farms suspected of breaking rules on organic and free-range egg production, for example.

In other cases, cheaper ingredients are added to genuine products to increase profit margins. Sometimes vegetable oil goes into chocolate bars, or pomegranate juice, wine, coffee, honey or olive oil is adulterated with water, sweeteners or cheaper substitutes.

Whenever there is tampering, there are potential risks to health. Indian restaurants in Britain have been prosecuted for adding ground peanuts to almond powder, which poses a risk to allergy sufferers. Food experts say that engine oil is among the substances found in olive oil.

In a weeklong food fraud crackdown last year, the French authorities seized 100 tons of fish, seafood and frogs legs whose origin was incorrectly labeled; 1.2 tons of fake truffle shavings; 500 kilograms, or 1,100 pounds, of inedible pastries; false Parmesan cheese from America and Egypt; and liquor from a Dutch company marketed as tequila. They also found fraudulent Web sites claiming to sell caviar.

Illegally fished and contaminated shellfish often finds its way to fish markets. And even the fish that is safe to eat may not be what consumers think it is; the owner of a fish and chip shop in Plymouth, England, was fined last year for selling a cheaper Asian river fish called panga as cod.

Another fraud is to fake the packaging of well-known brands with writing in a foreign language so consumers believe they have a genuine product that was diverted abroad at a bargain price.

Even religious communities are not immune. In Britain, the Food Standards Agency has warned against drinking Zam Zam water, which is sacred to Muslims and comes from Saudi Arabia. Bottles sold in Britain “may contain high levels of arsenic or nitrates,” the agency said.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 2, 2013 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

Recent observations from my trip to the US: Yup, people are fat fat fat. But not everywhere. Northern Ohio: Pretty fat. Tennessee: Incredibly hulking wobbling fat. DC: Pretty healthy. Also lots of bike lanes and "normal" (to me) food stores, like Whole Foods/Trader Joe's etc. Hmmm. Whereas good luck finding anything but HFCS in huge swaths of the country ...

IMO less education plus cultural identification ("We're 'real Americans,' we don't eat that weird granola left-wing stuff") equals low demand for healthy food, hence low availability and a vicious cycle. It's not all about the money. You CAN eat pretty healthily on a low income -- well, not by doing all your shopping at Whole Paycheck, but still, there's a lot of super-healthy food available in the US -- but for that to happen you also have to identify as someone who values a certain type of food, so that, first of all, you actually TRY. And that means that you're educated enough (self-educated would do it) to read and understand the labels. To make a little effort. And to be inclined not to just accept the status quo that mom and dad taught if they happened to be Wonder Bread/fast food folks (which most people were for at least a while after the '50s.)

Somehow, weirdly, the same people who probably used to be MORE healthy and "natural" (rural folks) are now identifying WITH the corporations who sell the LEAST healthy stuff -- and also see it as somehow more "American" and "down home" to eat, ya know, white bread and HFCS. Mom's Apple Pie now has to come in the freezer section and have a label of artificial ingredients a few inches long to be "real American." Hmmm, what's wrong with THAT picture?!?

Brown-eyed women and high fructose corn syrup
The label was long but the branding looked clean ...

Anyway, I wasn't there for Sunshine Daydream and the pole guy but I enjoyed the Sirius channel. And I suppose I enjoyed my share of high fructose corn syrup in bright shiny packages, too :-)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 3, 2013 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

i can only speak from personal experience and observation, but fortunately, since i've always had to (and have to) eat, the experience is, uhh, profound, although my observations of course are tainted by the places i've lived (good luck finding a locally baked, non-frozen bagel in certain parts of the USA) ... but you are correct of course that it does require at least some effort to understand the means by which food arrives at the grocery store, and the ingredients that constitute the products you buy ... while i certainly can make no claim to having been raised in a household that put garden-grown vegetables and fruit on the table, and yes, it was often some frozen fish (usually Soul) on Fridays, i can at least state that fast-food, was practically non-existent in my diet until i wandered out into the wider world myself at 18 (point: i stared dumbly at my 1st college roommate who proclaimed the glories of 'whitey casselles', aka 'White Castle' ... i had never even heard of such a place), nor was soda anything i drank growing up, apart from when we happened to have a family outing at some restaurant, not all too common ... what i am saying is that i at least had a relatively healthy diet growing up, and i used that as the springboard to an even better diet as an adult ... which isn't to say that there weren't periods where i probably ate less-than-great (Army, college, working the minimum-wage slave trades)

but, i cannot claim to know who the loyal devotees and flag-wavers of Big Food are in america, because the products are everywhere, in practically every household, north, south, east and west ... it's just that when one lives in the more metro and liberalized areas of the country (Boston my experience in that regard), yes, you also have access to stores such as Whole Foods (which by the way, if you look at it in terms of value to health, is by no means 'Whole Paycheck' ... sure if you go there and buy the prepared foods, yes, you will pay top price, but you can shop really inexpensively at WF if you weigh it in terms of value for health, and avoid the fancy expensive boutique labels which you don't need anyway ... if you load up your basket with $3 energy bars, well, don't come crying to me about cost ... however, WF was a game-changer in the consumer food landscape, and for that at least it gets my respect, even if a percentage of the customer base is a bit hypocritical (ever notice the number of un-economical vehicles in the parking lot? ... and i can go on, but won't))

there has been some really in-depth and highly informative (and shocking) research and investigation into Big Food in the past 15 years or so, and i'm just one person and can only make changes at the individual level, and i have been on this planet long enough to know that Big Food will always be, because the vast bulk of people really don't care ... i have visited and talked with highly intelligent people and friends, people who 'should' know better, and yet have food products in their kitchen that are slowly poisoning them (and the planet) ... and i'm no food snob, no 'foodie', i like my diet simple and as close to the earth as possible, i have no interest in 'gourmet' or fancy foods, when i look at my plate i want to recognize everything on it and to know where it was from

that's pretty simple, right?

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Poster: Reade Date: Aug 2, 2013 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

You'd have to fill a two-story house with Sugar Beets before you had enough for a 5-pound bag of white refined sugar.
Such concentrations are not found in nature- as this example illustrates. We weren't meant to eat that stuff.

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Poster: DeadATL Date: Aug 2, 2013 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

I did an internship many years ago for an agricultural economist at Coca-Cola who purchased the company's HFCS. From his office window we could see trains with countless tanker cars full of HFCS from Cargill. Needless to say, Coke buys a staggering amount of the stuff.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 2, 2013 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Your Sunshine Daydream reviews

"The obesity epidemic of modern America was not a problem early 70s hippies faced"

yup; several years ago i was watching Festival Express with my brother and about half way thru, i turned to him and said something like, do you notice anything odd about the crowd? ... no fat people